HERE is the New Voice of Linux

helios's picture

it has been a long time in the making, but we've finally produced bits and bytes that introduce the world to Linux. I'm not sure I agree that any of this is "preachy". It is interesting yet authoritative, informative yet not geek-speak. There are improvements to be made, i am sure but one thing that stands out is the voice of Linux, Mr. George Collins, is superb. Here is where we mix, cut, splice, dub, rub, etc to make this the first public-aired Linux commerical. radio is an excellent medium for our product. Anyone with any ideas or skills with mixing and dubbing is welcome to download and manipulate the files provided.

 

This, as they say..."this is fixin' to get good".

Commercial clip draft one

Commercial clip draft two


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steeprockmedia's picture

A Few Thoughts...

Sorry I'm a bit late to the game here -- some general thoughts:
George Collins is superb. Thanks, George!

It takes 30 seconds to reach the moment of unveiling -- far too long. Here's a quick hack of a more concise variation: http://steeprockmed.tempwebpage.com/media/tuxproject_steeprock_edit.mp3

Also, the copy carries a strong commercial sales tone -- but what you selling? If I didn't know about Linux before, it's likely I'm going to assume there is some sort of catch... I mean, you must be selling something, right?

But the biggest issue I see is that it lacks an action component. Commercial messages tend to work best when they give the listener something to do -- a clear and simple task. "Pick up the phone and call," "Show your support -- buy American," etc...

land0's picture

A few more thoughts

Never too late steeprockmedia. Brilliant edit! Cool

I would have to say you are spot on about the bottom line. There needs to be something that enables people to act on this new information. We have another project that will in a limited capacity(to start) put free Live CDs into their hands. 1-877-Linux-Now We also have http://www.linux-now.info for a web based campaign.

We were hoping to add a finishing tag line to a shortened version of this radio commercial. It seems you have provided the shortened version. Now we just need the tag line.

Sander Marechal's picture

A recut of collins

I have made a recut of the 60 second clip that, to my  ears, fixes some of the problems I pervieced below. Basically I removed a bit of fluff from the beginning and reoranized the second half to "get to the point faster".

It's an ugly cut. If you want to use it, someone should definately re-cut it from the original lines that Mr. Collins read. The originals aren't available on this site as far as I can see, so I can't do that (Is it possible to have the original uncut version available as well?).

There's one bit that is especially ugly: In the original there is a line that goes "thousend of businesses ... have been using - Linux - for years". Because I emphasize Linux earlier on, I tried to recut that bit into "thousands of businesses ... have been using it for years". It's ugly, but you get the idea.

Listen to my version at: http://www.jejik.com/sander/temp/collins-recut.ogg

BTW: There's a 500 Kb limit on personal files on this website. If we're going to remix audio, maybe it should be increased? I happen to have my own webserver but not everyone doe. Besides, these clips should really be hosted at The Tux Project and not scattered around personal webservers.

Let me know what you think! 

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Sander Marechal
http://www.jejik.com

land0's picture

Love it!

Great job bravo!

Sander Marechal's picture

thanks

Thanks :-) 

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helios's picture

Now we need the surgeons blade

OK, logs are showing an increased traffic due to the publication on linux today. I suggest someone submit the commercial blog to slashdot. I cannot. The powers that be have decided that I could post the cure to cancer and they would not print it. What I did to p*** them off isn't clear but an email forwarded to me between a certain /. editor and a mutual friend indicates clearly this person's dislike for me and lobby4linux in particular.

Slashdot is the most powerful force in Linux news dissemination. This was proven during the tux500 project. When /. thought we would be halting donations, only then did they post a link to the story. What they didn't know is that we had already extended the donation period for a few days and the article posting on slashdot resulted in raising an additional 7 thousand dollars in just a few days. It was amazing. The traffic to the site spiked in dramatic form and I think Bob has the awstats graphic that shows it.

My point is, we need to get this on slashdot. To this point, we are just not reaching the larger Linux-based audience and if any of this is going to work, we will need to do just that.

Now, onto the physics of the commercial. The first cut, George got to a perfect 60 seconds. The second one runs one minute and twelve seconds. Obviously there will need to be some editing done here. As well, there will need to be room for another voice in there guiding people to a website and as Stephen and Sander suggested, giving just a bit more information. Let's get a revised script written and I will submit it to George for recording. OK...who has a decent radio voice. Not me...If I sounded any more nasal and inclined to speech dictated by a deviated septum, I would be jailed for publishing my voice to the airwaves. Who wants to give it a shot?

 

h

Too often it's the unsoiled hand that feeds The Critic's mouth.

Jose's picture

Document and archive the scripts and recordings we have

Make sure that you keep all versions around (voice and script). I liked
the current versions and maybe a 1 min 12 sec spot will open up
unexpectedly.

Also, we should link up the scripts with the recordings (if that hasn't
been done). And make sure we have them dated (though if we increase
version numbers as we go that might be enough).

srufle's picture

Free as in Freedom

I think it would also be good to promote the freedom aspect as well as the price. Maybe in the future we could address the common myths that are in this article

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070828132340846

I know that this is the Tux project but if we could also be a guide to OSS stuff in general it would help some people dip a toe in the water before going to GNU/ Linux

Jose's picture

Not all OSI (or ISO) are created equal

I think the FOSS community should all work together. What we have
really is a product of a multitude of licenses. However, I don't feel
the license choice is insignificant "as long as it's OSI approved."
Here is a blog on this topic. My views are in a comment dated the 25th
Sept. http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/archives/070920-112241.html .
I'll quote:

****
The GPL offers a stronger (more responsive) feedback mechanism for the
community of coders to maintain a check on each other than does the BSD.

If a BSD codebase is taken and exploited to the detriment of numerous
members of the community (eg, by being added to products that control a
market), what can the members do to place a check on this while
continuing to develop with the BSD license? There isn't much.

Consider the same scenario with GPL code. In that case, the only way to
close off the code is by the owner of the copyright (probably the
commercial company hosting the project) or someone that received
liberal licensing from the owner. Whether the monopoly position
threatens the copyright owner or not (and acts or not), the rest of the
community is threatened and they can respond by forking. A
well-supported community fork will surpass and diverge from the
original codebase thus significantly limiting the ability for the
monopolist to continue to get a free ride with the (new) superior code
base.

The GPL's power comes in because it gives the copyright owner extra
power. If this power is abused, the solution is to get new copyright
owners (through a fork) and thereby leaving the original troublemaker
cut off from the growing development. Yesterday's hot features just
aren't enough to carry the day against today's new features and
improvements.

It's because the GPL reserves rights that it can be used to combat
rogue members of the community by cutting off their ability to close
things off. When members behave, however, the community generally backs
them, even if they produce closed products.

GPL is carrot and is stick. It is carrot to those that behave. It is stick to those that abuse.

The BSD is just carrot no matter who you are and how much you misbehave
(talk about bad parenting .. and I'm not implying that a *real* stick
is needed by human parents "to maintain discipline").
****

As you can see, I take a defensive position for generally prefering the GPL vs. the BSD.

************

Related to this are views on Microsoft's licenses submitted to the OSI:
http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2007092101626NWMSLL . The comment
is titled "The name game." [maybe this links to it directly:
http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2007-09-21-016-26-NW-MS-L...
]

As a brief clarification, if I were Microsoft I would start the process
of crowding out the GPL by providing a license that was almost
identical to it. It would naturally also be copyleft. This is what I
meant with the statement, " I would want a license that was not
compatible with the GPL to try and crowd the GPL out."

The rest of the post roughly explains other steps to be taken to
finally extinguish the GPL.. Along the way, Microsoft could gain a lot
of goodies, so extinguishing the GPL would be icing on the cake.

************

Also related are my views on Microsoft efforts to make OOXML an ISO approved standard: the following link is the second part
http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20070910110639612&ti...
. The first part is the parent post which can be reached through the
"parent" link at this previous url.

This relates, not to the GPL vs. BSD discussion directly, but serves as
an example of why you can't just look at the license in question (or at
the standard) to judge if it is worth using because the copyright
holder of the actual license text (or the entity controlling the
standard) and the marketplace context are VERY important.

The GPL (and in particular "GPL version X or later") works because the
FSF is trustworthy [but I am not a fan of the "or later" clause.. I can
always simply relicense the original when the time comes.. but for
large group GPL projects, one would have to make sure to stay in touch
with all contributors that don't use the "or later" clause].

************

If it weren't for the potential to divide and alienate, I would start a
topic for discussion on licensing. We could also look at the flavors of
CC since we have been using it and probably will continue to do so.

helios's picture

Good points and on track for implimentation

It has been my personal experience that the "freedom" aspect of Linux/FOSS isn't something easily understood by the average user. It needs to be but what we've done until recently is just start bludgening them over the head with the freedom part. Wallpapers like "FREE YOURSELF" and "Freedom Forever - Linux" has just acted to confuse people. It's the same with GNU/Linux. I can't begin to tell you how many people have asked me:

"I'm trying Linux now, but what's GNU linux?"

They obviously perceive it as something different and distinct from the Linux they've heard about. Then when the few that do go look see how we are verbally slaughtering each other over the different philosophies, they just walk away shaking their heads. on Lobby4Linux, I make it a point to explain the GNU part and further explain how important GNU is both as a concept and as an everyday principle. The last thing we need are a few purists (and there is nothing wrong with that camp, it's just a name I've attached to them) demanding that Linux be referred to as GNU Linux. RMS does it before he agrees to an interview and then he wonders why he gets so few follow throughs when he's approached.

This is an important aspect to be sure...we just need to make sure the average person knows that it's not a prerequisite to joining the club. Asking people to only refer to linux as gnu linux is like telling people you can no longer use the term "chevy" and you must always refer to it as "Chevrolet".

People just aren't going to do it.

 

h

Too often it's the unsoiled hand that feeds The Critic's mouth.

libervisco's picture

Let's move away from the

Let's move away from the whole GNU/Linux vs Linux thing for a while shall we. It's not like that whole debate is the only thing representing the idea of including freedom among selling points of what we are marketing, or even as a crucial point of differentiation that the "product" (sic) we are marketing poseses.

 

By focusing on the GNU vs non-GNU discussion you pretty much ignore, at least in this comment, that larger issue. Personally, I am of belief that the operating system doesn't actually matter as much as Free Software in general. Windows users could switch to PC-BSD, almost as friendly as Ubuntu, and I'd still be happy with their change. GNU/Linux or "Linux" whichever way you prefer, just happens to be the biggest one, the "flag bearer" as I call it.

But, even as you focus on marketing only "Linux" OS I believe it wouldn't be prudent to exclude the message of freedom from your Linux OS marketing. You don't need to make the voice of Linux shout "freedom" to do it, but just rather keep this in mind as you carve the text that he is reading.

That said, I think you've already done it to a point. Not sure if you realize it, but the whole talk about having to pay more to use what you already payed for and how this doesn't happen on GNU/Linux is a testament to freedom. Just as the whole superiority of this operating system in terms of security, reliability etc. is also a testament to freedom. People had freedom to cooperate and that cooperation in turn brought this technical advantages. You can't really have one without the other.

 

So let's not just promote the result, but the whole thing that makes this result possible.

"Linux is here to free yourself."

"BSD is here to free yourself."

"OpenSolaris is here to free yourself."

"Freedomware is here to free yourself."

 

All of it is Free Software and in the end that's all that matters. That's what we are here for, to bring the freedom that we enjoy to the masses, not to bring just another albeit alternative operating system to the masses. If that's all we are here for, we could just as well promote Mac OS X.

 

Thank you

Danijel

 

Libervis Network

Jose's picture

I agree with this view. I am

I agree with this view. I am not shy about taking a preference for
licenses like the GPL, but one way or another, the fact remains that a
lot of alternatively licensed open source software has been able to
come into existance. Now, though I think the GPL and something like
Linux is among the better choices to achieving the ultimate goals
expressed by libervisco, these two specifically aren't themselves the
ultimate goals. I am willing to focus on Linux and Tux if need be, but
whenever possible, we should keep in mind the greater goal. [The
following link mentions how all FOSS isn't created equal
http://thetuxproject.com/node/201#comment-563 . I think we should try
to be smart about what FOSS we push.. but those specific choices made
shouldn't be the ultimate goal.]

As far as the commercial, I like it with "Linux". I think others that
have platforms that are comparable should be able to take the
commercial and modify it to say "BSD" or whatever. [Yeah, they may need
to pay for George's voice.. or not.. or they can get creative.] But the
message would be diluted a lot if we do avoid being specific. Linux is
a brand name. In researching Linux, they may eventually get to the
other platforms, but we have to facilitate people taking the intial
steps. It is easiest to sell Linux/Tux. Linux belongs to the community
in a way other options don't.. and Linux is the most evolved because it
currently has the most numbers committed to it (we all make compromises
to be able to work together).

A few more words...

This next link is related to this freedom thing:
http://thetuxproject.com/node/202 . Linux (to be specific) gives you
something no proprietary platform could give you. The result is that
what would otherwise be considered work and a drag, takes on a new
meaning and becomes acceptable (at our pace of course). We see it all
the time. People hate Linux for about 10 minutes (days, weeks, etc).
Then they love it. Learning with Linux is not "learning" with Windows.

Getting people to get through these tough 10 minutes/weeks is key.
Pre-installs will help a lot. Exposure to FOSS on Windows should help
[, but I don't like that approach too much. I see it as a compromise
and so would hope FOSS on Windows never works really well because the
*key* is to supplant the lowest layer. Then again, if Microsoft takes
an earnings hit because of Openoffice on Windows, that will help us a
lot. For this reason, I don't mind Openoffice and Firefox on Windows
all that much.]

Jose's picture

More more more commercials

Remember that suggestions are welcomed AND we aren't doing just one commercial.

theobroma's picture

Lets name this.

If you were in charge of naming or giving this commercial a title what would it be?

My vote.

The Introduction (version 0.0.1) Laughing

Jose's picture

More name ideas for voice commercial

These are working ideas for name

7th Symphony in A# Major (commercial is too simple to be a symphony .. do note 17th sept, 137 (see below), 2007, lucky seven,)

The Big Secret

The Secret is Out

The Big Secret is Out

Turbulence

How Do You Spell Disaster? (not for us)

How Do You Spell Distress?

How Do You Spell Destruction?

Sound and Fury

Splash: No More Flippers

Splash: Out to See (misspelling intentional.. or fix it .. maybe drop the "splash" altogether)

Splashing Out to Sea

The Big Splash

The Mass Awakening

Waddling on Broken Glass (windows shatter)

Happy Flippers

Happy Feet

Lawsuit

137 (see helios post below)

Tux137

The Ugly Chickling Gets a Voice

Desktop Roasting on an Open Fire

Call of the Wild

Xtinguish

TuXtinguisher

Tux for a Song and Dance

Sander Marechal's picture

I like the voice, but I

I like the voice, but I think the text could use some improvements. The beginning is very vague. Only near the end can you understand that the first half of the commercial is about Window's need for anti virus software. And even that you have to infer from the text instead of being told.

I doubt that someone with a Windows mindset would understand the message. Sure, they'll hear "Linux", "Wall Street", "good" but they won't understand *why*.

But... great voice :-)

--
Sander Marechal
http://www.jejik.com

helios's picture

Sander, I nailed the problem down you are having with this

I frontloaded it into audacity and started playing with it and while I was doing the experiments, it dawned on me.  Here is the first line.

 Your software isnt working?

 It should be, "your computer isn't working?  

Here is how we fix this.  We have George say:

Your computer isn't working?  That's because your operating system is sub-standard.  It's not your computer, it's your software...

 

NOW, he goes into the part where says, "so what is the industries solution...?  

 

Bingo, I now see how you thought it was vauge...yes.  Maybe not vauge but unclear or at least there is a better way to say it.  Let's give this a listen then report back here and get into the nuts and bolts of this first 15 seconds.  it is by far the most critical.

 

and theobrama...how about the LIRN project (Linux Is Ready NOW)

 

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Jose's picture

LIRN

>> and theobrama...how about the LIRN project (Linux Is Ready NOW)

LIRN.. that is good. How many names can we use? We can have a project
name. We can name the commercial. Maybe make it part of a
targetted/themed campaign that has yet another name. Phase I can get
its own moniker, too.

Sander Marechal's picture

Well, actually George does

Well, actually George does say "Your computer has probems?" as the first line, not "Your software...".

I'll have a go at cutting and pasting the clip in an audio editor. I think just reordering a few pieces may have a good effect. At least to my ears :-)

PS: Anyone know a decent audio editor? I just tried Jokosher but the one in Debian Etch is no good. 

--
Sander Marechal
http://www.jejik.com

helios's picture

good editors

I really like audacity and kwave.  I am running mepis, debian etch and vector and jokosher is the same in mine...it just isn't stable.  Now, I have been playing with one called sweep and I think it's pretty good...a bit too many options for these simple needs but one to play with and enjoy. kwave and audacity are the two I use and either one is exceptional for these tasks.  Now, You want to waste time?  ZynaddsubFX...pure geek toy, but probably invaluable in the proper hands.

 

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Jose's picture

radio clip license?

>> I'll have a go at cutting and pasting the clip in an audio editor.

This brings up the topic of licensing. Currently it's just plain old copyrighted, right?

helios's picture

sorry, had to look it up to make sure

When George agreed to work with us, he gave us free reign to use his work so I am thinking we go ahead and license it under creative commons but I am going to defer to Landy for this...I think that's the way to go, but Landy will know definitively. 

Too often it's the unsoiled hand that feeds The Critic's mouth.

land0's picture

Creative Commons Share Alike.

Attribution must be given to George Collins as the artist who created the recording and Lobby4Linux for all of the time and effort it took to put all of the pieces together. All remixes will be shared at the Tux Project.(This could be optional but I thought it would make sense.) 

(We will modify the attribution to include the final production company once it is completed.)

Attribution example: Many thanks to George Collins the recording artist, Lobby4Linux and (production company) for putting together this original artwork to be shared freely with the world.

You are free to modify this work given that the license remains the same and attribution is in place and you share your finished remix with the Tux Project.. For more answers to your questions refer to this page.

Most importantly have fun!!!

Jose's picture

I like current voice commercial, script and all.

>> The beginning is very vague. Only near the end can you
understand that the first half of the commercial is about Window's need
for anti virus software.

I'll listen to it later again, but I generally liked it. If what you
are saying is how successful commercials should be made then there are
a lot of companies blowing millions on bad commercials. Yes, some are
blowing millions, but it would seem the industry as a whole has not
learned.

With that said, I don't imagine anyone not being opened to the idea of
creating variations on the script. Someone can volunteer the words and
others can give it voice. Testing out different variations helps to
reveal which are more effective in which markets. We'd have to
formalize some things though (and we should) if we were going to do
this sort of testing/feedback.

At this point, I don't know what the intentions are for the commercial,
but we would need to have some sort of survey or way to identify who
heard the commercial, paid attention, got it, etc.

Even without the more precise/formal approach, we can go by gut feeling
and low-key informal surveys. Not surveying doesn't mean we would have
failed; it just means we'd be less likely to know if we did... making
it likely we'd repeat similar mistakes again.

And the commercial is about more than just Windows needing antivirus
software. In fact, the whole (in)security issue and high costs of the
Windows platform is part of what is communicated.

[Helios, make sure to do some informal testing (if you haven't) with
people near you. To increase the authenticity of the tests, get a radio
tape to play that commercial unsuspectedly when people are around.]

I just reheard it, and I stand by my assessment that it's good. The
commercial mentions/infers that (a) many respectable groups use Linux,
(b) Linux is more stable than Windows ("crashes" "BSOD"), (c) Linux has
less "problems" than Windows, (d) it's cheaper and comes with what you
likely will need to be productive, and (e) it's cheaper indirectly
because of savings in hardware. There may be more things, but all of
these items are important and differentiate with the Windows
alternatives... and none of these have anything to do with antivirus.

Try listening to the longer second version (that's what I used to build the list above).

>> but they won't understand *why*

This commercial brings a message not a dissertation. Yes, dissertations
are important for step two. The Internet is full of dissertations. And
yes, a very good and perhaps better commercial may be made by answering
more "why's". But as is, this commercial should be effective in helping
to build name recognition and have members of various target audiences
look to find out more. Noteworthy is that it's clear we are talking
about something called "linux." Google is our friend when all we know
about a product is one word (esp, when the word is its name).

Don't think I am shunning your view. There is room for experimentation.
I say both. We need to test alternatives anyway so why settle for fewer
to test when we can test and resolve the issue? I am one that does have
a positive view of this sample we already have.

[Helios, any plans to test this out online first to get some feedback
from various sites? We have to keep in mind that every decent idea will
obviously make a few Linux companies (and Microsoft of course) a little
edgy. I like online testing, but we have to do real live testing
primarily.. or skip it if we can get free air time on the radio (but
there's hardly such a thing as "free").]

...another plus for the commercial is that it should be easy to
understand. It hardly uses any jargon. Of course, the voicing adds a
dimension to the commercial that would make up even for some faults in
the script. Hearing it, you have an idea where its going even if you
didn't catch or understand a word here or there.

...another plus is that the message is given before the listener is
given the opportunity to hear "Linux" and tune off (for those that
would do this).

...another plus: the rep talking gets on our side right away. It's us vs. the greedy "industry."

Sander Marechal's picture

The commercial

The
commercial mentions/infers that (a) many respectable groups use Linux,
(b) Linux is more stable than Windows ("crashes" "BSOD"), (c) Linux has
less "problems" than Windows, (d) it's cheaper and comes with what you
likely will need to be productive, and (e) it's cheaper indirectly
because of savings in hardware.

Yes, it does all that but IMHO only in the second half of the commercial. It's better in the longer clip by the way. I can't quite put my finger on what's causing my feeling about the vagueness. Perhaps the repetition of the word "software" as a generic term in the first few sentences. Perhaps because there are quite a few other sentences between the start about "software to fix software" and actually pointing out why Linux is better. It feels a bit... overstetched. If you catch my drift. Like a clamp that's been opened too far.

Sorry if I'm so vague. English isn't my first language and I'm from Europe. Commercials are a tad different on this side of the pond I guess. More punchline and less suspension building?
--
Sander Marechal
http://www.jejik.com

Jose's picture

Voice heard .. only up to the shoreline.

>> I can't quite put my finger on what's causing my feeling about the [commercial's] vagueness. ... Sorry if I'm so vague.

You must have been listening to the commercial for too long.

>> English isn't my first language and I'm from Europe.
Commercials are a tad different on this side of the pond I guess. More
punchline and less suspension building?

You point out just how important it is to have *many* different commercials.

helios's picture

just the base

good point and it is understood.  There will be another "voice" once we taper this down and get the impact at full velocity.  There will possibly be "a clarifying voice before AND after Georges narrative, so it should be crystalized by then.  We ran this by 137 people at random prior to calling it a finished draft.  Shopping malls, supermarkets...anywhere people had a couple of minutes to talk with us, we asked them to listen to it and judge it for quality, clarity and impact.  They were asked to give us a one sentence answer at the end when we asked them "what did you think this commerical was saying to you?"  Every one of them got it right.  Yes, we will add another voice for the full 60 second spot.  Possibly a female if we can get someone to work with us.  And remember, this isn't the only script...we have an entire section here where we can present our ideas and polish them  enough for George to record.  And by the way...George did alot of editing of my original script and showed a remarkable talent for cutting through the crap in doing it.

 

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Jose's picture

Way ahead of me

>> And by the way...George did alot of editing of my original
script and showed a remarkable talent for cutting through the crap in
doing it.

I was curious about this. I imagined this was cleaned out becuase the
script and voicing work really well together.. not to mention it sounds
sophisticated (ie, professional).

>> We ran this by 137 people at random prior to calling it a
finished draft. Shopping malls, supermarkets...anywhere people
had a couple of minutes to talk with us, we asked them to listen to it
and judge it for quality, clarity and impact.

Not taking chances, eh? Does 137 translate to millions in sales or no?
With a few hundred more in suitable locations, the much sought after
"world domination" will be ours for the taking.

>> They were asked to give us a one sentence answer at the end
when we asked them "what did you think this commerical was saying to
you?" Every one of them got it right.

Not surprised. A bit relieved, yes.

helios's picture

limited resources

Not taking chances, eh? Does 137 translate to millions in sales or no?
With a few hundred more in suitable locations, the much sought after
"world domination" will be ours for the taking."

 

Yes, agreed, but you have to remember, contrary to popular misconception, Lobby4Linux is just a few folks with regular lives and a driving passion to spread the word of Linux. You would be amazed at how many people think we are a big company with a corner office in some highrise and leather chairs with glass and steel furniture, LOL...I always thought presenting oneself as bigger was a good thing but you have to expect to be asked big things if thats the case. In this case, it bit us in the backside.

Just remember that those 137 people interviewed were interviewed by two volunteers in a mall over a two week period. It cost us a hundred bucks for the permit to do this and one of the volunteers took the weekend off his regular job to get this done. I have learned the hard way it's worthless to come to the community and ask for them to help financially with efforts like this. except in the rarest of cases, they are summarily ignored or presupposed that someone else will take care of it....or that it's just another fraud against the Linux Community.

We were lucky to get this many people interviewed...somewhere down the line, members of these person's families will do without something they need because they thought enough o f the linux community to make the sacrifice. You have to wonder at how long people are going to be willing to do this...or their families making sacrifices that never seem to be appreciated by that same community.

Too often it's the unsoiled hand that feeds The Critic's mouth.

Jose's picture

It sounds professional

It sounds professional (that's not my voice or my narration attempt I'll tell you that). I am impressed.

It sounds too professional. I am worried.

OK, so how do we follow up on that? ..with an url or something, right?

There are many contexts others may want to attach around this. I can
see this clip (or portions of it) being used but having other voices
added to say things like "so go to ubuntu.com" or "so go to redhat.com"
or just to add more story.

What is the license on the voice clip?

We should try to sell this clip. It may lead to a growing snowball
effect as people contribute their voices, their scripts and their
variations. What would be in it for them? What can we do for these
voice commercials to make it attractive to participate? Linux users may
like the idea and the thought of having their voices heard (that was a
joke), but why would smooth-talking Bob/Betty want to contribute to
this Linux thing?

Some ideas:

Helping to spread the word in a lot of places immediately communicates
that if it's their voice and they do a good job, their voice too will
get linked around.

We can have a competition. Definitely. The ball is rolling. We have a
competitive entry (so we're guaranteed to have a winner that is at
least half decent). We have a decent sample to demonstrate. Yes, we
have a modest snowball and a hill.

[Later, I'll post about an animation competition I was brainstorming
yesterday.. but it's really just the idea to have the competition that
is great.. you know.. something to fill the void those "monthly"
competitions are providing. Voids can be fun, but ..filling them can be
even more fun]

******
Oh, I just reheard the commercial. This criticism is not aimed at the
voicing of it. The script mentions "99.9% of all the software you'll
ever need." That can't stay as is.

... maybe something like [and I know this doesn't sound that great]
"95% of the applications you use today (are right there available at no
cost)." The 95% is based on time using and equivalent or close enough
functionality.

We can also add something to communicate that they will always have the
free stuff year after year as it improves [here or in other
commercials..or in a longer version of the commercial]. And we might as
well mention how fast FOSS improves. Here our "command line" track
record works to our advantage. [Heck our twice wiping off the Indy 500
track (is that a record) will likely work to our advantage too.]
******

One twist to consider for other commercials is to mock commericals
exaggerations. We mock others and we mock ourselves in the process. It
can be done to be funny and really catch attention. There are various
ways to go about this. We can make a campaign where we indulge in this
theme.

"Linux made my wife happy last night.. oh, yeah, it did it all.. Now,
my wife can't take here hands off me. Linux, you turned our marriage
around. Thanks Linux."

"Act now and you can get Linux free... Act later, and you can get Linux free."

"Special: Buy Linux today for the very low introductory price of $0.00,
and I'll send you updates for life at 50% off my already low $0.00
regular monthly price. So that's $0 to be able to make the first batch
of CDs, then just $0 each month after that. ..I know what the viewers
are thinking. 'This is all fantastic and terrific. I couldn't ask for
more, really. But Bob, can you shave even more off that great monthly
price?' Loyal viewer.... Yes. I will do it! For those watching us this
afternoon... OK, we are giving you an amazing low introductory price.
You're then saving 50% month after month after month for life. If we'd
stop here, you'd all have an spectacular deal. $1000s of dollars in
savings year after year. But Bob will beat it. On top of this already
unbelievable offer, I will chop off another ...20%! ..if you act today
and pay for 10 years of the software in one lump sum. This commercial
is yours, the browser is yours, the word processor is yours, all this
and much much more, for many years to come. .. Viewer, my heart is ....
So get all this for $0.00 first month payment and $0.00 every month
thereafter, OR pay a one time sum of $0.00 and the software (and
commercial) is yours for life. Call, dial up, dial-up, do what you can
to get to us today. Ask our operators to charge your
Visa/Mastercard/Discover/Amex/Christmas card monthly or ask to take
advantage of the 20% further chop for viewing this commercial. ..Oh, no
Bob. You have that look! ..YES!! Sally, I have that look! ..My dear
customer watching... You can skip payment all together! ...This offer
is available for an unlimited time (but don't delay). Volunteer
operators are standing by. Hurry and start enjoying your free Linux
today." .....There is so much more gunk that can be put in here it's
sickening.

We can bombard the Internet and any other medium with all sorts of
commercials. Most are bound to stress the %0 theme. People will hear
that over and over and over. Zero cost. Free. Free for life.

Anyway, we have to have support. If we have it in theory, we have to
make sure it is there accessible and ready to go. As you add these
commercials I think community forums will catch on and go with things.

What good is free if you have no space to put it, right? Oh, wait, the
LiveCD! But we need support for it when people want to install it to
get better performance. Are our current forums enough today. We need to
try and survey some of this and maybe provide a one-stop-shop
experience. This has been discussed I think, but we need to move the
hopes and dreams into the project level. Yes, we now have the basics of
*projects* to augment forums and everything else.

I just can't keep up with how fast this site is growing [cheap brownie points: 35 ... favors incurred: pricele....]

helios's picture

From here...?

OK, so how do we follow up on that? ..with an url or something, right?

First, this has to hit the public airwaves. Not the internet...I mean, as a way to let other Linux organizations know it is available, yes but as the main medium/venue for delivery...no. Producing a commercial and then just running it on the internet is a waste of talent, resources and time. It is just another script used to preach to the choir. Our target needs to be the person that

1.) has never heard of Linux

 

2). can identify with the problems we talk about in the commerical.

Having worked tech support for way too long, I know for a fact that people are sick to death of microsoft windows...however, the average american consumer is extremely slow on the uptake and deathly frightened of change. Those are two formidable obstacles. Many people who have tried Linux have eventually went back to MS for the lack of mentoring or (and is probably more the case) just didn't feel comfortable in the Linux environment. Putting commercials like this on the public airwaves not only gives it immediate credability, it tells people intrinsically that others are going to be trying this at the same time they are.

Trust me...The day Linux hits the commercial venues is the day Microsoft dreaded coming. They don't expect it for another 2-4 years. Surprised abound Redmond...stay tooned.

Too often it's the unsoiled hand that feeds The Critic's mouth.

Jose's picture

Not a chance

I wasn't suggesting to avoid the radio [I knew the original intent of
the voicing was for radio], but but ... helios, I am sitting back and
watching (and enjoying it). It's like Tux500, it wasn't what I expected.

I will say this for the Internet, the savviness of Internet users is
something to be tapped to help us reach the group you are describing.
And true, you will not find many people online or off that can convey
that commercial the way it was done in that clip. It had all the proper
intonations. I mean is this the voice of Linux or of twenty thousand
other products that have been announced over the main airwaves?
Certainly the delivery adds some measure of immediate legitimacy.

I'd still like to eventually tap the ideas of having contests or
otherwise encouraging youtubers and such to give these scripts a whirl
(and to produce new scripts). Not to downplay any of what you are
proposing nor the theory behind it. What I am saying is that
interactive media is a plus to be tapped (too). [yeah, radio has
listener participation programs]

OK, so when the time is right, let me know when and where it will go on
the air. If it's inexpensive, I want to make sure I am in a room full
of people. I want to see their faces. I'll make sure to have a laptop
running beryl or something handy.

"What! Save thousands of dollars? What's the secret?" [rotfl]

>> Many people who have tried Linux have eventually went back to
MS for the lack of mentoring or (and is probably more the case) just
didn't feel comfortable in the Linux environment. Putting commercials
like this on the public airwaves not only gives it immediate
credability, it tells people intrinsically that others are going to be
trying this at the same time they are.

This commercial-and-delivery, as you mentioned, is the sort of thing
that gives people who otherwise had no reason to try and adapt to
something new a reason to do so. And that is dangerous when the
product is FOSS and the pov is from Redmond (like you said).

Here is a topic just put up that is tangentially related
http://thetuxproject.com/node/202 "Danger, Tinkering with Linux May
Lead to Uncontrollable Power Trips." Giving Linux a chance is dangerous.

 

[provocative subject line, I know]

helios's picture

didnt communicate well

"still like to eventually tap the ideas of having contests or
otherwise encouraging youtubers and such to give these scripts a whirl
(and to produce new scripts).  "

oh no...it wasn't my intention to imply so.  The internet is invaluable to our efforts and those who lend real value to this effort, people such as yourself, come from this netherland.  My comment was pointed at some who think that advertising Linux is a waste of time and money.  Sad but true.  No...I fully appreciate the value and power of the internet media.  Forgive a misguided/misdirected statement.  Like I don't do that often, LOL

 

 

Too often it's the unsoiled hand that feeds The Critic's mouth.